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EP #30: Healing Depression, Anxiety And PTSD with Dr. Isaac Jones

The nation’s leading expert in holistic health and nutrition, Dr. Isaac Jones, teaches us the science of healing focusing on healing mental health issues like PTSD, depression, and anxiety through changes in nutrition and diet. Dr. Jones says contractors for the governments are not given the highest quality food that they could be eating. The food they’re getting are highly sprayed with pesticides and they’re drinking a lot of water out of plastic bottles, which end up causing hormone dysregulation, neurotransmitter deficiencies, and can cause some brain challenges in respect to stress and anxiety and things of that nature. Learn how food and nutrition impacts your physiology and put stress on the body unconsciously.

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Healing Depression, Anxiety And PTSD with Dr. Isaac Jones

Thank you so much, Dr. Jones, for hopping on a call with us. For those people that don’t know you, can you share a little bit about what it is you do and where do your credentials come from?

I work with entrepreneurs, executives, high-performing athletes, people that live high-performing lives. I do work with military veterans as people that are currently in operations. I’ve been in video consults with them over in Afghanistan and Iraq over the years. It’s been rewarding to be able to add value to those population groups. People that are a little bit cut from a different cloth than else that are what I would consider a world changer. I look at entrepreneurs. I look at soldiers. I look at people that are putting down their life on the line as high-performing individuals. Those are the people that I serve in my private virtual health consulting business and we work with people around the world across America, Canada, England, Australia, Japan, and Saudi Arabia.

It’s been an amazing, incredible opportunity to add value to people. We take a little bit of a different approach in that we look at an individual holistically and address the challenges that are blocking them from maximizing their internal optimal body physiology as well as accessing what their human potential genetically is capable of achieving. We look at optimizing the human being and looking at the things that are blocking their ability to get there and how to access that.

I graduated from one of the most prestigious health and wellness universities in the world called Life University in Atlanta, Georgia. I worked in the largest health centers in the world in Orlando, Florida. I did that for a couple of years and connected me with a friend of mine, Steve Linder, who inspired me to look at making a bigger impact in the world through connecting with people virtually, and so now I have a virtual practice. I work with people around the world. I serve people in all these different countries and we do that in customized programs that are specific to your body physiology. We typically will look at your lab tests. We do functional lab tests and then from there. We will customize the program to address what’s inhibiting you from accessing your highest level of potential as a human being from a physiological perspective and then we’ll work on getting to work on maximizing your health moving forward. That’s a little bit about me and what I do.

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I would love to dive a little bit deeper, especially with the audience that we’re serving. These guys and women have spent time and time again, years of their lives going out into battle into service and some of them have been through tremendous experiences. One of the biggest things that we’re finding is the effects and/or the reaction that they’re having after coming back from deployment, for instance, when they’re out in the field for months at a time and they’re usually eating off of MREs and things like that and typically not the best nutrition or hydration to sustain optimal health. How would you explain and help understand what’s going on there, especially when these guys are coming home and they start to experience symptoms from depression or anxiety especially after post-deployment?

It’s a unique situation because the people I’ve worked with that have been overseas and have come back over to America or Canada are the two soldier groups. What I’ve realized is that there are some challenges just being over there. First of all, even though they’re getting fed food, the contractors for the governments are not giving the highest quality food that we could be eating. A lot of them are eating foods that are highly sprayed with pesticides, foods that are oftentimes processed in order to get overseas the way that they do, and then they’re drinking a lot of water typically out of plastic bottles. Plastic bottles are being shipped in relatively hot containers. There are a lot of solids in the water that they’re drinking that end up causing hormone dysregulation, neurotransmitter deficiencies, and can cause some brain challenges in respect to stress and anxiety and things of that nature. Then there’s the whole challenge with the move back home. There’s a certain lifestyle that your physiology, your body, your neurotransmitters or your brain gets used to and it’s almost expected. When you get back home, there is a difference. A life experience that impacts your physiology in such a way that does create stress on the body even unconsciously. There are definitely some challenges that may be able to be addressed very easily through different lifestyle changes or lab tests that you could get to look under the hood of the car to figure what’s going on with your body.

That’s the kind of landscape that they’re exposed to but one of the reasons why one person gets anxiety and other person gets post traumatic stress disorder, PTSD, another person gets chronic fatigue syndrome is that we all have, predisposed in us, different genetic predispositions. There could be a genetic predisposition for fibromyalgia or for chronic fatigue for one person. Another man may have a genetic predisposition for depression. Given particular environmental toxins and stressors, sometimes those physiological pathways genetically are triggered and then that results in the symptoms and the disease that they’re experiencing. It is typically a multifactorial issue and unfortunately the majority of doctors look at it very myopically and will look at one thing that you have depression and here’s the medication you need to go to balance serotonin levels, which oftentimes it’s even the underlying root cause of depression. There are a lot of examples like that, but they’re not addressing you as a holistic person. They’re typically addressing you as a problem that needs quick fixing through symptom suppression by getting on a medication unfortunately.

We all have certain genes or born with certain possibilities of what we can turn on, in a sense, and depending on the environment, how we grow up, what we’re around, it’s either going to turn on or turn off certain genes that will allow us to either feel certain ways or experience life a certain way where we’re either activating ways of feeling more depressed or more anxious or were triggered by environmental factors that cause us to feel that way.

Oftentimes, it’s multifactorial, which means that it’s not caused by one thing. It could be the solids in the plastic bottles plus the extreme amount of stress that you’re under on one mission plus the stress of not being around your loved ones, plus the toxins that you’re consuming and the foods that you’re eating or whatever it may be in it. This sounds very doom and gloom, but there’re a lot of great solutions we’re going to get to in the rest of this interview to help people, no matter where they’re at, maximize their health and get moving in a great direction.

The last thing that I wanted to understand and help some of the audience understand is what’s happening on the other end of that. We mentioned about when they’re coming back home from deployment, when they’re coming back home from war and they’re getting ready to get out and they start to have these symptoms coming up. The typical standard practice is to go in and see either a psychologist and they go with the prescribed medication based on whatever the symptoms are, which aren’t necessarily curing the symptoms. They are more so alleviating the current experience of it. In that regard, help me understand a little bit more about what’s happening when we’re getting this prescribed Prozac or something, for instance, for either experiencing depression or anxiety and how that’s effecting, whether it’s positive or negative, the symptoms were having and what the effects of that are.

It was the question I battled with when my mom was depressed and she was on Effexor after Prozac dosages weren’t high enough for her to be able to feel well. When I was doing a lot of the research into serotonin reuptake inhibitors, which are the Prozacs and the Effexors of the world and there’s a lot of other ones out there, what happens is it’s a synthetic molecule that goes into your brain and it blocks the reuptake of serotonin. Serotonin is a molecule that gives you the feeling of being happy. It’s a neurotransmitter that gives you the feeling of being happy. What it does is it blocks the ability for your brain to recycle the serotonin, which is what it’s supposed to do essentially increasing the amount of serotonin that stimulates the neurons that create the feeling of happiness. Typically, when people experience being on serotonin reuptake inhibitors, if indeed it is a serotonin problem, is they feel better. They feel like, “This is good. I liked being on this medication.” That may happen for the first two weeks, four weeks, and then oftentimes, they get what they call a down regulation of receptor sites on the actual neuron that then causes you to have to go up in dose to be able to increase the amount of serotonin or increase the serotonin at a higher level to then stimulate the neurons the way that they were a month ago before taking the medication. What happens is you become reliant on these medications when you don’t have a deficiency of Prozac in your brain or your body. It’s a deficiency oftentimes of neurotransmitters that aren’t even serotonin that creates abnormal physiology in your brain that creates depression.

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The fact that a lot of people are taking a lot of these medications, and this example is across the board for a lot of other medications that people are taking, they become reliant on these medications. If they try to go cold turkey off them, they start feeling like they’re going to go crazy or they experience a lot of symptoms associated with getting off the medication. Joseph Glenmullen, who’s a medical doctor from Harvard, wrote the book Prozac Backlash. Later on, he wrote a book called The Antidepressant Solution. There are a lot of great medical doctors and leaders in this field that have helped people understand what the underlying causes are and how to properly get off their medications. As a legal disclaimer, you never go off medication without proper medical supervision. I’m not telling you that you should go off medications or the medications that you’re on. You should work with a healthcare professional to do that and in the process of it, educate yourself through perhaps reading a book, like The Antidepressant Solution by Dr. Joseph Glenmullen.

What happened with my mom from getting this education, she ended up weaning down her medications over six months, so it wasn’t like a quick period of time, but what she also did in replacement of the medication is she did some activities that helped to balance the neurology in her brain and increase the neurotransmitters that she was depleted in and it helped her overcome her insomnia, it helped her feel much higher levels of energy throughout the day. Over time, she overcame her depression long-term and she hasn’t been on medications ever since.

I’ve worked with a lot of individuals that have done that themselves with amazing results as my mom. What do you do? I would go to SuperHumanEntrepreneur.com and then search neurotransmitter or just neuro at SuperHumanEntrepreneur.com. I have an article that I wrote in detail of all these different lifestyle strategies that can help boost serotonin or decrease serotonin, boost dopamine, and decrease dopamine. There are a lot of practical things. If you’re dopamine deficient, you’re not able to focus very much. There are a couple of things that you can do every day to help boost dopamine like stretching and meditation. There are certain things that you can do to increase serotonin throughout the day in your body. If you go over to SuperHumanEntrepreneur.com and you search neuro, you’ll see an article on the brain and how to balance neurotransmitters naturally inside. Read through that article. It is good to get tested. However, we’re in an age of biohacking where you can experiment on one of this stuff yourself and try to figure it out. ’It’s always good to work with medical professionals, especially if you’re trying to wean down off your medications.

We know that psychology is a big piece of this for a lot of people, but we also know from a great friend, Steve Linder, who talks repeatedly about psychology being one big piece, but physiology is always going to trump that psychology, no matter how great or how much we want to think positively. Help me understand a little bit more and to elaborate on even when we have the positive mentality, we want to think, we want to feel good. If we’re putting something into our body, understanding how it is affecting what we’re thinking and the way that we think.

Every food that we put in our body, every physiological issue that we’re dealing with, it manifests itself in a way that affects the neurotransmitter levels in your brain and it can affect neuropeptides in your brain and your body, and so it affects in essence the way that you feel, the way that you think even. It’s a two-way street. We all always have to be working on our mindset and your physiology. A lot of people use poor psychology as an excuse for their bad physiology or bad physiology as an excuse for poor psychology, but I’ve seen people that have very poor physiology. Instead of starting to shift their psychology and starting to speak life into themselves and speak and communicate, the things they want to create in their lives and have what they want to have and things of that nature, it ends up impacting their physiology in a powerful way. It’s a two-way street, but all of that ends up impacting your brain neurology, which can impact your thoughts and your overall psychology for sure.

To go a little bit more and understanding when we’re taking somebody who is getting out of service and they have a routine, they have a certain routine and a certain structure for however many years they were in and they’re getting ready to get out. They’ve been out about five, maybe six months, and the routine is not the same anymore. Maybe the PT has gone down. They’re not working out as much, the diet has definitely changed because they’re not eating the same cafeteria foods anymore, they’re eating different meals and perhaps drinking habits have gotten up. How can we help and give either a strategy or an understanding to these guys of how to shift and maintain a certain level of health or increase our physiology to also impact our psychology moving out?

You were talking about circadian rhythm, which is what they have you in every single day when you’re over in Afghanistan or Iraq or wherever you’re serving, in Japan, etc. There’re so many challenges when you come back home because there’s not the structure anymore. The camaraderie of team is no longer there. There’s definitely lack of consistency with diet and oftentimes, the comforts of being back in America, which are fast foods and processed foods, which they loved growing up that they did not get to access overseas or whatever it may be, and there are certain patterns that you can get into over in America. Ultimately, the government and the army or the Navy or the Marines or the SEALs, wherever you’re serving, there’s a certain level of excellence in respect to high performance.

What you want us to do is do you want to replicate the environment of high performance in your own life when you get back home. The way to do that is to start creating a little bit more structure for yourself. If you want to live an incredible life, if you want to become fully alive, because a lot of people may come back home, it’s like they’re falling asleep to their life. They’re not fully understanding the potential that lies in front of them on what is possible. One of my good friends, John Lee Dumas, he came back from being overseas and serving and he watched this podcast called Entrepreneur On Fire. He was a US soldier, and then he comes back and he’s like, “What do I don’t want to do?” He creates this podcast business that is now generating a couple million dollars, $2 million to $4 million a year for him in residual income. I’ve worked with him personally and what he did is he created a lot of structure and routine around what he did. He’s one of the most structured people. I love working with people from the military, but if I tell them what to do, they do it.

Let’s talk about what some of these people have implemented their lives. They’ve implemented more of a regimented diet, so they stick with one type of a diet. Maybe it’s a primal diet or a cardio diet, and they try to stick with that because that supports high performance in their body because they weren’t getting the highest quality foods. When they come back over, they are trying to eat a little bit more organic. A lot of them, if they’re on a budget, if economy is an issue for them in respect to the amount of money they can spend on food, I recommend them going to EWG.org, Environmental Working Group, or Google search EWG Dirty Dozen. Dirty Dozen foods are always organic, and the Clean Fifteen is another list that they have, which are foods that are some of the cleanest foods, even if they’re “conventional” that you don’t necessarily have to buy organic. Making the dietary shift and creating a label in respect to what you’re wanting to commit to moving forward as far as your diet is a big game changer for you.

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What I’ve found being the most successful diet is a primal paleolithic diet as well as the diet that is more of an anti‑inflammatory diet for these individuals. Anti-inflammatory is typically a little bit lower carb diet. That helps to decrease the amount of inflammation in the body. Because of being overseas, there is higher level of inflammation in your body, which may be the underlying cause of some of the depression or some of the PTSD, etc. I’m not saying it’s the only cause, but it’s a piece of the puzzle, and so going on a little bit of a lower carb, primal or paleolithic diet or an anti-inflammatory diet is good. Another diet that you guys may want to look into is the Mediterranean diet.

They have a specific kind of regimen around diet. Does that mean that they don’t enjoy things from time to time? Absolutely not, but because their brains work a certain way that the rest of the population typically don’t operate like, they have a higher level or have a higher level of consistency around some of these things because of their training.

The other thing is a regimented calendar. The most successful posts being overseas, serving, like soldiers, etc., they follow a very regimented schedule. The soldiers that don’t, they end up going back flying by the seam of their pants and that’s when going out and drinking every night with your buddies such that it’s getting the best of you or whatever, the things around you, the environment around is taking control of you versus you being in control of your environment. One of the things I always recommend is blocking your calendar with some of the most important activities. For instance, one time block might be time to chill out by yourself, go for a walk in nature, decompress. It might be mountain biking, it might be meditation, it might be doing some sort of spiritual activity. You might be going to church or something like that, but blocking time to invest back in yourself, definitely these individuals, like John Lee Dumas, has time to work out. It’s blocked in his calendar. If you guys are still trying to figure out what you want to do or what you want to create, there’s time to research and to create. You don’t need to block out your entire calendar, but the things that are most important that will allow for you to live a state of high-performance and create a replica of high-performance environment, like what you were experiencing over there, could give you the kind of excitement and fun and enjoyment that you had while you were over there, but over in US soil or whatever country you are enlisting from.

The biggest thing that we oftentimes find, especially for enlistees who did about four to six years, they get out and it’s this new found freedom of, “I don’t have to be up at 5:00 AM and do PT right away.” For these guys, when they’re finally starting to get out and experience this new found freedom, what words of wisdom, what advice would you give to them, and that temptation of taking it easy, but also making sure that we live and continue to live at a certain standard?

For officers, they’d been in it for a lot longer, so it’s a much more hardwired routine for them. For enlisted, it’s typically four to six years that they’re in and they’re getting out of service and there’s this new found excitement of this freedom of “I don’t have to be up at 5:00 AM. I don’t have to go and do PT,” and oftentimes there’s this large temptations to take it easy to take this massive break. We’ve been finding with other studies from other organizations that it’s usually within the first 100 days that they start to experience massive changes in their psychology and the physiology, the symptoms of depression. All of these things typically tend to come up within the 100 days. To get these guys on the right track, what words of wisdom or advice or tips on how to combat that temptation. To keep some regimen to get them into that cycle so that they’re not completely shifting everything and then having that whirlwind of emotion and shift in their body, what would you recommend or advise for that?

It’s fine to take a break when you get back. However, the break should be maybe a week to two weeks depending on how intense it was, and then you wouldn’t create a regimen of high-performance around perhaps the same as it was when you were serving. However, you want to create something that enables you to continue to live at a state of performance that is going to allow for your physiology and your body not to go through such a shocking transition. It would be creating a more regimented schedule. It would be blocking out your calendar with time to workout, with time to play football or go to the swimming pool or walk on the beach or get out in nature, whatever it is, it’s looking at the things that help to rejuvenate you, but also keep your body and your mind sharp is important.

If you want to take a week or two weeks to relax, that’s okay, but a lot of people when they come back, they’re partying. Their physiology goes through a massive toxic exposure of one evening after another of consuming poor food choices, consuming a lot of alcohol, and that can be extremely damaging to the body. When I’m talking about R&R, we’re talking about connecting with your friends and connecting with your family and giving yourself some rest, sleeping a little bit more, maybe going out and getting some massage, going to get some rehab on some of your joints or whatever maybe aching you or whatever that may look like. Giving yourself a break from the norm isn’t going out and eating as many Snickers bars and drinking as much alcohol as you can. Are you going to do to that? Probably, but again, you want to be careful with how much you do that because that’s going to have a major role in how fast you get into a state of physiological imbalance that can create that expression of depression and/or whatever it may before you.

We never want to necessarily tell anybody how to live their life, but the biggest thing is understanding the effects of different lifestyle choices can have on us and if we’re experiencing different symptoms and different experiences, understanding what might be the root cause of that. If we can understand that like you’ve explained so well, we can make educated decisions and shifting what we do and how we do the things which in turn will affect how we experience life and overall being able to live life in a much more exciting and much more enjoyable way.

Every decision that you make has an outcome. Every word that you speak has power. We’re creators and we can create amazing lives for ourselves. You have the possibility in front of you with the training that you have and the amount of discipline that you have that a lot of other people unfortunately don’t have to put yourself at an unfair competitive advantage among so many other people because of your background, because of your training. I commission you to think out of the box, think about what is possible for you, think about how a meaningful life is, and what you could create in the life that you have left. A lot of the most talented people I’ve ever met have served. Most talented entrepreneurs, most talented CEOs, most talented athletes, the people I’ve connected with, not all of them, but a lot of them have this background of what you have come from. Recognize that that is to your advantage. Recognize that you have an incredible future that lies ahead of you. My commission to you is to think out of the box and think about what is possible and think big because if we start thinking in a way that is inspiring to ourselves and to the people around us, and you don’t even know how is it possible for me to create this, how could I possibly do this? There’s the old saying that the map appears when the car is in motion, so if you think up and dream up a beautiful life for yourself and you start going in motion to work with that, that map will appear.

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Healing Mental Health Issues: You want to maintain a positive psychology. You want to think a little outside the box and create a lot outside the box and create an amazing life for yourself.

You want to maintain a positive psychology. You want to think a little outside the box and create a lot outside the box, is the way I like to think, and create an amazing life for yourself. Your language has impact. Your thoughts have impact on you and I’m happy that we’re able to connect and inspire the audience to live their best life and move forward by creating an environment of high-performance just like they came from.

Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to talk with us a little bit more and share with us some of your insights and educating the audience on the power and the importance of having a key physiology and how that impacts your psychology. For the audience who wants to find out more about you, what you do and wants to get in touch, where can we send them or what should they check out if they want to find out more?

If you want to consult with us one-on-one, you can go to Elevays.com. It’s elevated days brought together and created the word Elevays. We’re passionate about helping people elevate everyday and experience more in their lives. If you click the consultation button, you can connect with one of the doctors in the company. If you want to connect with me, let them know inside of the application. However, just note that my rates are higher than the other people in my organization. I look forward to having our company and our systems support you to access high performance for the rest of your life and if that’s the case, check out Elevays.com and we look forward to serving you in our consultation. If you don’t want to connect to the constitution, still go to Elevays.com because we got a lot of amazing recipes, health strategies, high-performance strategies that will help you transform your health moving forward.

Thank you so much, Dr. Jones. We appreciate it. Any other words of wisdom that you’d want to give to our military or veterans?

I’ll let you know that you don’t need to be perfect in everything that you do. It’s all about progress, not perfection. You come out of this world high performance. It’s okay if you’re not perfect in creating your dream life out of the gate. It may take a little bit of inspiration, a little bit of podcast, listening from Sophie, a little bit of connecting with inspiring people, but you’re going to get there and that’s why we exist. Sophie, I love what you’re doing, what you’re up to, I love what you’re committed to and keep on being the incredible person that you are, getting messages out there that can make a meaningful difference in these veterans’ lives.

Thank you so much, Dr. Jones, for everything. I cannot wait to see what we create and to hear some of the amazing stories that are going to come from the audience. Thank you.

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About Dr. Isaac Jones

Dr. Isaac Jones has been named “the doctor of the future” and featured in INC magazine, PBS and other respectable media outlets. He’s a world leading expert in helping executives and entrepreneurs access high performance through human potential healthcare. He uses cutting-edge research supported strategies such as lifestyle genetics, cellular detoxification and advanced customized nutritional solutions to create long-term sustainable transformations for the people he serves. These clinically proven strategies that his clients implement have seen an average of a 3x increase in energy, doubling of productivity, a 4x increase in wellbeing scores and an average of an 80% reversal of todays most common disease promoting factors in 6 months. In addition to transforming the lives of executives and entrepreneurs he speaks in Asia, Europe, Australia and across America on Human Potential Healthcare and trains doctors around the world on these advanced life-changing solutions.

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